Talk: Krenim

How do I cite duty officers? --Gilgamesh de Uruk (talk) 05:44, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

I've made the Cenpesa page as a demo example. Hopefully I've gotten all the STO details right, translating her into a person and citing the story arc missions in which she would appear. -- Meacott (talk) 12:54, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Meacott

Since I don't play STO, i cant verify the info, but you should be listing mission/episode appearances and story arc in citations. unless this is a character that is ONLY part of the 'overworld' between missions, there needs to be an accounting of where and how theyre encountered.

If users are simply copying from the STO wiki without being aware of that info, the "citation needed" notice is designed to attract a different user, who has that capability. otherwise, we're just now seeing this explanation link to another wiki as the source of the info, which is more than we had before. maybe should have said so up front. -- captainmike

13:52, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure why The Delta Quadrant, The Iconian War and Future Proof were cited in the example. Duty officers don't actually appear in any story arc or location. They are essentially cards that can be slotted to receive bonuses for space and ground combat or sent on assignments to obtain experience, items or other rewards. Gilgamesh de Uruk (talk) 05:08, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

I chose those three arcs for the example because, according to the Krenim article at the STO wiki, Krenim can appear during those story arcs, so logically Cenpesa would be limited to appearing in those arcs. I don't play STO; my impression was that if a person were playing a non-Krenim story arc that they'd receive a different duty officer with talents that were applicable to the arc they were playing. But if that's not the case, if Cenpesa could appear in any story, then I'm unsure how to cite that. -- Meacott (talk) 11:14, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

The Krenim duty officers are a random prize for opening an "Infinity Lock Box", which can be obtained from the in-game store during special events. A lock box can be opened at any time and the prize you get has nothing to do with the mission you're playing. Gilgamesh de Uruk (talk) 12:58, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Once again, being ignorant of the mechanics of gameplay, is saying that the "duty officers" can be "cards" ("dealt like cards" is what you mean? that's vague to me, i'm not understanding) mean that they can be played in any part of the game, or can they only be received and played in certain episodes/missions.

Just telling me 'they're duty officers' doesnt mean a lot to me because i don't understand. it could be that the basic ST video game: Star Trek Online citation can be used, you just have to attest to the fact that is how the game works to communicate to us that this is the reason you chose that citation. -- captainmike

13:42, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, they can be used in any part of the game. When I said they are like cards, I meant that each duty officer consists of just a face and some stats, as opposed to a true NPC that can talk, move around and fight. Unless there's some way of citing the Infinity Lock Box, I think a basic Star Trek Online citation is enough. Gilgamesh de Uruk (talk) 13:54, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

I think I've seen Markonian cite the Infinity Lock Box. I myself have no idea what that is so maybe i'll ask him for an explanation in the admin chat -- captainmike

14:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

The Duty Officer System is a game mechanic in STO. It can be seen as its own mini-game, like the Admiralty System for ships. We could use Duty Officer System, or simply Duty Officer, as the source name, specifying with the "sub=" at which point in the game the particular duty officer was introduced. For the Krenim Cenpesa, for instance, it might look like "STO: Delta Rising mission: Duty Officer". Kind regards, -- Markonian 20:04, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what further information the citations provide since all the duty officers are already under the Star Trek Online Duty officers heading. But if the policy requires them, then that's how it's gonna be. --Gilgamesh de Uruk (talk) 13:46, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

A citation requires a link to the source on this wiki. the version you edited had no links to Star Trek Online, "Year of Hell", etc.

I don't understand how you could not be sure about that, but yes, citations must include links to this wiki. plain unlinked text and offsite links only are unacceptable. that's how it's gonna be. -- captainmike

13:52, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

If that's the case then why not just change Star Trek Online Duty officers to Star Trek Online Duty officers? Isn't that the same as what you did for Year of Hell and A Pocket Full of Lies? I'm just trying to understand why each character needs a citation after its name, even when the citation is exactly the same for each character. --Gilgamesh de Uruk (talk) 14:03, 14 December 2022 (UTC)