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I was going to add information about Risa as it appears in Star Trek Online. In the article it mentioned in a section called "history" that in 2381 Risa was laid to waste by the Borg. This comes from the events described in Star Trek: Destiny, but these events never transpired in Star Trek Online. This got me to thinking about what the Memory Beta community believes to be the prime timeline. It appears to me that anything mentioned in the movies trump the books and the books trump the games (video games and role playing games). I couldn't find an article or a policy about what MB considers a primetime line after the events of Star Trek Nemesis.
STO is suppose to be a tie in to Star Trek (2009). In fact, the opening cinematic to the game has Nimo narrating as Spock saying how concerned about the future of the United Federation of Planets after Hobus went supernova. Star Trek: Countdown is a prequel to the 2009 film, but I have never read it before.
Star Trek: Destiny I don't believe has any tie in to the events described in the 2009 movie. I haven't gotten around to reading that either. Is there any mention about Spock and what he was doing during the period of time that Destiny takes place?
Here's the dilemma: Destiny takes place in 2381. Spock slipped into the past in 2387. The events of Star Trek Nemesis - the movie prior to the 2009 movie - took place in 2379. I guess Spock could have been busy trying to reunify Vulcan and Romulus during the Borg Invasion of 2381, but I find it unlikely that he wouldn't try to defend at the very least Vulcan from the Borg. Why reunify them if the Borg just destroys them? I'm guessing the timeline of STO must branch from the prime timeline sometime between 2379 and 2381.
I'm guessing that the MB community see Destiny as being part of the prime timeline and not an possible future timeline. In my mind both Destiny and STO are possible futures, but I'm not debating that. If Destiny is part of the prime timeline, when does the events of STO branch out from the prime timeline? --Pinkkeith 18:03, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
- Hi, we've had numerous discussions about this before. Both STO and post-Destiny novels are concurrent with Star Trek (2009), but the recent STO novel has stated that STO is an alternate timeline where Destiny did not happen. Furthermore, the first DTI novel stated that the Destiny timeline is the "correct" one (when comparing it to the know 26th, 29th and 31st century futures). So this establishes that STO is a branch off to the side from the aforementioned realities.
- We had to discuss it a bit and this community decided to use subsections to "separate" when a contradiction is discovered. If there is no duplication or contradiction, we do not use any sort of "alternate" reference for STO. We save such article marking for situations where it is needed to explain two versions of the same thing. For example, Starbase 157 is a good example of an article that is clearly subsectioned and explained (another reasons this Starbase 157 article is a good example is the correct use of POV policy in naming the subsections and the italicization of the parts that are "out of POV" (background notes)). -- Captain MKB 22:37, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
- I wasn't trying to debate about what is the prime or "correct" timeline. I was trying to figure out when the STO timeline branched off the prime timeline and comparing it to Destiny and the 2009 movie.
- The more I think about this the more I believe it might center around the nature of the Borg Queen. STO (as far as I know) doesn't mention the Borg Queen at all. I was trying to pin down an event that must have happened sometime between 2379 and 2381, but now I think that might not be the case.--Pinkkeith 11:10, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
- This might be a SPOILER but Watching the Clock explains that all the future time travelers we've ever met are all part of a larger plan because, for the future to happen, the Borg have to die. this means that only Destiny is their true past. -- Captain MKB 13:17, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't follow that logic with the claim that ST: Destiny is the only true past. I think it is one of many realities. I believe I read somewhere that all realities the Borg conquer the Federation if the Borg were not destoryed by 2600. This states that there is more then one reality where the Federation continues outside of Destiny.
- Yet, then again, I'm not debating what is the prime timeline. I want to talk about is when or what causes the STO timeline to happen. --Pinkkeith 15:38, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
- I am in partial agreement with Pinkkieth that Star Trek: Destiny is but one possible permutation of the future timeline. What I would like to see is a set of links on the main page that can serve as a filter directing users and visitors to particular timelines such as either STO timeline, Star Trek: Destiny timeline, War of the Prohpets timeline, or even the Mirrior Universe timeline. Included should also be a particular link that compairs and contrasts the various timelines, much as was doen in The Path to 2409.--neilcell 16:51, Februrary 26, 2013 (UTC)