Just to clarify, there is a distinct possibility that the 2240s uniforms were different from those in "The Cage" -- George Kirk referred to himself as a "redshirt" even though there were no red shirts in existence at the time of "The Cage" -- Captain M.K.B. 14:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, I've been trying to to rewrite the article from the sprawling of notes that were left by an anonymous user. I'll either move the uniforms to the Early Starfleet uniforms section, or leave a note underneath it with the difference. Thanks again (-: --The Doctor 14:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Red shirts were also seen in the Enterprise's engineering in the 2250s in Early Voyages, IIRC. --Columbia clipper 18:22, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Were they? Can you cite an issue please? They were seen earlier than that to, on April's Enterprise in the last issue of Crew. --8of5 18:24, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

That may be what I was thinking of. I'll check Early Voyages, though. --Columbia clipper 18:27, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think I misremembered the Crew appearance as being from Early Voyages. I didn't find anything when glancing through the latter series. --Columbia clipper 18:32, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

There are sporadic redshirt appearances from the 2240s to the change of styles in 2265. Besides George Kirk's reference, there's an unnamed operations division captain in Starfleet Academy! (see Unnamed_Starfleet_personnel#2250s_Academy_instructor), and the Crew reference (some on earlier issue Rasmussen's Enterprise NX-0002 also) .. I'm not sure of an EV reference however, but it would be one of many.

Additionally, EV and this redshirt captain all do take part in retroactively and/or anachronistically using the more detailed 2260s insignia. :P

Additionally, George didn't blink when addressing his grown son as Captain, referring to sleeve stripes when Kirk was trapped in the 2240s wearing his 2260s uniform. (in The Janus Gate) -- Captain MKB 18:33, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Also, Best Destiny repeatedly describes George Kirk as wearing a red uniform in 2249, and at least once identifies his uniform as being a "security uniform". --Columbia clipper 19:43, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Conversely, a few beige uniforms (with black collars) made it into the TOS era. It seems that the two different operations colors evolved to be somewhat exchangeable but that for whatever reason, canonically more people in the earlier era preferred beige and more people in the later era preferred red.

Also a point: Kirk was considered "base personnel" in the early era and wore operations red, while the canon ones shown were generally "ship personnel" and wore operations beige. Alternately, the majority of redshirts in TOS were "Ship personnel" and the two beige shirts known were both "base personnel" (Cestus III and the RNZ outposts). Possibly they do this to avoid confusion? TOS also had base personnel in red also though. -- Captain MKB 19:50, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Wheres the early DS9/Voyager/Generations uniform? 71.58.198.190 23:59, September 25, 2011 (UTC)