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should we merge this with Starfleet? ma did just that. Even if there are two Starfleets, it's impossible to say where one ends and the other starts. at least in canon. is there a discernment in a novel or something? --Shisma 16:49, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

I'd say no.
The Earth Starfleet was absorbed into the Federation Starfleet upon the creation of the Federation in the year 2161. They are two distinct entities in the ENT novels -- captainmike •••• 17:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
I don't necessarily oppose, but can you make a citation? which ENT novel? what exactly is said? --Shisma 18:17, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Rise of the Federation series deals with the creation of the Federation Starfleet and describes how the new Starfleet is a different entity because it involves the integration of the Vulcan and Andorian space forces, and describes how those organizations form specific sections of the new Starfleet. -- captainmike •••• 18:50, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
They are two distinct organizations. Merging them does not make sense to me. One is an Earth org, the other is a Federation org. If we merged them, would it be just because their name is the same? Because if its not the name, you'd have to merge Galfleet. Can of worms. Kind regards, -- Markonian 21:19, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


Lets find out what apparently happened. Here are my findings so far:

Okay, according to Tower of Babel the starfleet charter was rewritten for the federation:

“The agency he worked for had ambiguous legal authority at best, relying on a certain interpretation of the imprecise wording of Section 31 of the Earth Starfleet charter—a section that, perhaps suspiciously, had been copied without alteration into the Federation Starfleet charter upon the merger of the founder worlds’ space services.”

Tower of Babel, Chapter 2

this is consistent with sloans statement that section 31 was in the original starfleet charter. so it would seem the federation starfleet charter is considered a later revision of earths starfleet charter.

“The Constitution for the United Federation of Planets provided for a unified fleet under the command of the Federation Council. […] The Andorians, Tellarites, and Vulcans did not see themselves—or one another—as the natural leaders of this kind of endeavor, and, still in awe of Earths conduct during the Romulan War, turned to their Human colleagues to carry this out. In a previous time, the Vulcans had been wary of Earth outpacing them, but now they were ready to step in line behind the Earthlings who had more than proven themselves. Add to that, the goals were in many ways the same established goals of the Earth Starfleet. Thus, it was easily agreed upon by the newly formed Federation Council that the combined service mandated by the Constitution would be built under the Earth Starfleet’s framework, and for continuity it would still be called “Starfleet Command.”

Federation: The First 150 Years

I don't know how to interpret this, but it sounds like other founding members decided the federations millitary should be run by or like the existing Starfleet.

“But the Federation Starfleet was a larger, more complex organism than Earth Starfleet had been, which might make it harder for a modern chief of staff to concentrate on exploration.”

Uncertain Logic, Chapter 3

also

“Admiral Samuel Gardner, chief of staff of Starfleet’s UESPA division, looked tired.” – Uncertain Logic, Chapter 3

so United Earth Space Probe Agency is still considered to be a Starfleet division.

“Vol’Rala’s captain, Reshthenar sh’Prenni, was a former crewmember and protégée of Shran’s who had earned her captaincy just as the Andorian fleet was being folded into the Federation Starfleet, and she had made quite a name for herself in the four years since—particularly in the past half-year as Vol’Rala had spearheaded Starfleet efforts to clean out the pirates and raiders in the Kandari Sector.” – Uncertain Logic Chapter 5

This is evidence that the andorian military was merged with federation starfleet.

“She [T'Pol] wore the UESPA arrowhead on her breast rather than the circle-and-triangle IDIC patch of the Vulcan Space Council; after all, it was an Earth-administered ship she commanded, and she had been a member of Earth Starfleet for seven years before the services were combined.”

A Choice of Futures Chapter 1

So earth starfleet was combined with the Vulcan Space Council

“Admiral Archer was still getting used to the sight of him in the new Federation Starfleet uniform. Although the various space agencies of the UFP’s five founding members still existed and oversaw their own ships and specialties within the combined fleet they jointly administered, they’d agreed they should adopt a common uniform with elements reflecting all its member states.”

A Choice of Futures, Chapter 1

Interesting. That sounds like Earth Starfleet is a part of the Federation Starfleet. Thats consistent with Enterprise being called an earth ship several times. What do you think? --Shisma 11:08, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

All of this directly proves the point that the existing organization of the Earth Starfleet was absorbed into the new organization of the Federation Starfleet, thus clarifying that these are two separate organizations. That's a pretty strong case for keeping the articles separate. -- captainmike •••• 12:44, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
I agree. I'm not arguing for merging any more, instead I'm arguing for adding sources to the article 😅 --Shisma 12:54, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Agreed - this is all very detailed research and it would make a great addition if you take it on, or we can add an attention tag to the article that will direct any other interested users to this talk page in case they want to update the article with all the research you've added here -- captainmike •••• 13:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
is it possible to add footnotes with quotes as a source statement? mediawiki allows for that, but it doesn't seem to be best practice on memory alpha and beta. is there a reason behind that?--Shisma 13:33, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
we'd have to agree on a format and then code a template (to make sure users follow the format)... i'm all coded out from my day job lately but i'm not against it. -- captainmike •••• 13:46, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
I've been thinking of something like this. It would be nice if <blockquote /> would be rendered in italic, which can be archived with css--Shisma 14:18, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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